Caleb Schroeder on Homeschooling and Discipleship – Backstage Pass Preview


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Caleb Schroeder is a homeschool dad who was homeschooled himself. In this interview Caleb talks about the importance of dads in homeschooling, and gives great advice to dads wanting to learn to disciple their kids. We had the privilege of interviewing Caleb and his wife Leah, also a homeschool grad, in California. While their homeschool educations were relatively unstructured, they both went on to get college degrees (Caleb is working on his second master’s degree). Caleb is a public school teacher and adjunct college professor, Leah homeschools their six children.

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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so if you can talk first about pop took

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home the biblical mandate of your job as

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dad spiritual leader has been

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Deuteronomy 6 it’s a lot of confusion 6

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– to lead your family spiritually you

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know I haven’t shared but I’m a eivin

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ministry at my church I’m right now the

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college pastor at my church and I’m also

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pursuing eldership and and it’s

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something that I’ve considered doing for

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a long time and one of the requirements

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for an elder is that he has to manage

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his household well and and he’s

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disqualified if his children are

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rebellious and I don’t look at that and

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say okay this is only this elite group

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who actually manage their household well

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the reason we have elders who have those

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qualifications is because we’re supposed

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to imitate them that’s that’s the

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standard that’s what God expects of

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fathers he expects him to be managing

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their home as well and he expects their

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children to not be rebellious and what I

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what’s really easy to happen in our

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American culture is the dad comes home

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and he’s exhausted and he sits on the

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chair and he turns on the TV and and

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that’s the interaction the kids have

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with that and mom manages the household

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that’s not what it says in Scripture it

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says if a man has to manage his own

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household well which means when I come

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home from work I’m constantly having to

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run by myself I need to manage this I

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need to see myself as the head of this I

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need to be leading my family it’s easy I

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think as men sometimes especially

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especially when we have I think a lot of

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homeschool dads have wives who are

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go-getters who are phenomenal they’re

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educating their kids they’re raising

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children they’re managing their home and

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it’s easy to sort of say ok you know you

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do your thing and I’ll sit back because

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you’re doing an amazing job but

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we can’t do that we have a god-given

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responsibility to be the head what that

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means is I have a responsibility to show

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my children how much Christ loves the

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church by how I love my wife and and

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that’s the first way I do it when I come

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home showing affection to my wife

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showing my wife I love her giving her

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priority not prioritizing my children I

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think sometimes in homeschool families

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it’s easy we’ve made this decision to

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really put our children as the focus of

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our home and we can forget about each

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other

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but if I’m not showing my children how

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much Christ’s loves the church by how

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intentional I am with my wife it’s like

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an all fall apart and and so I come home

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and and I focus on that first I focus on

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I need to love my wife I need to show

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her affection and a big part of that is

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just figuring out how does she feel

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loved how do I communicate love to her

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she is words of encouragement and an

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affection like that’s what she needs so

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she needs me to show her physical touch

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affection and she needs to hear from my

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lips you’ve done a wonderful job today

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you are a wonderful mom you are a great

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wife and just she needs to hear those

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things and my kids need to hear me

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saying those things and then and then I

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get to focus on my children and and for

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me I love the time after dinner where we

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just get a gather around and and read

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we’ll read stories we’ve read through

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all the Ralph moody books if you’re

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familiar with those little britches and

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man of the house and we’ve read through

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Little House on the Prairie and we’ve

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read some of Toki and we’ve learned CS

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Lewis and and just a lot of what home

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schoolers would consider the classics

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we’ve read those aloud but but then just

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spending time in the word where I’m

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reading God’s Word and I’m teaching it

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to my children I have a passion for

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teaching God’s Word so I just love to

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open it up and read it to my kids and

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share with them from it I love this time

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of year we’re going through our Advent

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reading right now and we have a story we

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read but each night I just

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I’m a different word for Advent a

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different character quality that we have

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because of what Christ did also as the

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leader in my home I I have been very

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convicted that I need to make sure I’m

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pursuing my daughter’s hearts as a

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public school teacher I have teenage

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girls all day long who are really just

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sort of throwing themselves at me like

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they need a dad they’re desperate for a

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dad there’s hardly any who actually have

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a dad and those who do have a dad hardly

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see him or he doesn’t give him the time

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of day and they just crave that Father’s

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love

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they just crave that father’s affection

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and so one of the things I do is I give

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each of my daughters a date night once a

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month and so they have assigned a month

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in the calendar year where they get

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their date night and they get to choose

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what we’re gonna do and we’ll go out and

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and they they have me for the night and

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the main thing is that it’s got to give

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them my face in my ear I sit down we go

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get ice cream and they just talk and

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talk and I just listen to them and I

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affirm them and I encourage them and I’m

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confident that as I do that and somebody

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else comes along someday who pursues

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their heart they’re gonna want me to be

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in on that I’m gonna be a part of that

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automatically because I have a piece of

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their heart as as their dad we come to

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know our Father through the Ministry of

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the Holy Spirit the Holy Spirit’s poured

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out into our hearts crying out Abba

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Father and he teaches us who our

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Heavenly Father is and what a privilege

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I have as a dad to image that it’s the

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Holy Spirit he’s going to teach that to

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my daughters but I get to show them what

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it looks like in in ministry I know it

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can be overwhelming for four men in

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ministry some time to balance I hear a

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lot of guys talk well you know how do i

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balance family life and ministry and I

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think it’s the wrong the wrong focus I

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heard a message by Francis Chan one time

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on focus on the family and the title of

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the message was don’t focus on the

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family

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and and he wasn’t saying just forget

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about your children what he was saying

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is if we focus on mission as a family

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we’ll draw closer than any other family

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and I found that in my own life so as a

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college pastor I have the college

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students in my home and my children are

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there and when those college students

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come in and my kids need me and I

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prioritize them over those students

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that’s communicating something that

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students that I can’t teach them I can

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preach Tom reddamma and my face but when

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I get a stop and focus and love my

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children in front of these college

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students they see the father’s heart and

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a lot of them haven’t seen that on their

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own homes they get an opportunity to see

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this is how God loves me when I coach

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cross-country at my pilot public high

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school and I invite those kids into my

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home and when they come into my home and

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they see me with my kids that’s the

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gospel that’s the gospel in front of

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them for God so loved the world they get

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to see the father’s heart you’re my

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ministering to them there you get to see

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the bridegroom love of Christ through my

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love for my wife and so inviting them

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into my life is part of me and leading

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my family I’m leading my family in front

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of people and it’s intentional because

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that’s that’s how we show Christ it Paul

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says it’s a mystery but this mystery is

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Christ and the church and that’s what my

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wife and I get a show as we go through

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this life together put displaying to the

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world the perfect love of Christ which

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is impossible but we have our moments

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and it’s such a joy and that’s the key

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is to let the joy of what you get to do

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and what your privilege to do be what

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propels you then what compels you to be

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that ambassador for Christ what do you

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think they’re all is of the church they

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are involved in ministry of course what

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do you think the role is of the church

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in regards to supporting families yeah I

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like the word that you used you said

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what’s the role the church in supporting

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the family and that

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that churches a support I I heard a

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message from a youth pastor at Grace

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Community Church here in Sun Valley and

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and he he talked about parents that he

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has to sort of teach what youth group is

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for and and he has these parents who

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will sort of drop their kids off and

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it’s like all right

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he calls it kick it to the curb

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parenting right they they pull in the

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parking lot the kid comes out and you

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better fix them because we don’t know

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what we’re doing

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we only just became Christians so how

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can we disciple these children and he

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views himself not as a disciple of

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children but as a support to parents and

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that’s how I think the church needs to

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view themselves I think for some

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churches that means they need to be

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family integrated because they can’t see

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themselves as a support unless they

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integrate I think for other churches

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they can use a different model and still

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see themselves that way I don’t I don’t

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think that there’s a formula for doing

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it I don’t think that we can see in

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Scripture that it says you have to do

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Church this way or you’re doing it wrong

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I think there’s a little bit of freedom

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there for how we do it but what’s key is

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that the church understands what its

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role is and that they don’t take away

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from the spirit what is convicting

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parents of one of the most dangerous

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things is to quench that conviction of

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the spirit the spirit for every every

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parent when they see that newborn baby

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he is communicating to them this is a

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gift from God to you use it for his

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glory raise this child for his glory

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bring this child up in the fear and

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admonition of the Lord raise him up on

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the way he should go so that when he’s

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old he doesn’t depart from it and that

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that spirit just puts that that weight

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on your shoulders and then he compels

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you with the joy of what you’re getting

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to do what God has entrusted you with

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and if the church comes in and says oh

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you know what you don’t know what you’re

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doing let us take over for you and they

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don’t communicate that direct

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but if they’re communicating that

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indirectly with any of their ministries

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then those ministries are going to be

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for naught those ministers are going to

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be ineffective because they’re going to

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break down the family which is how God

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has designed the church to work at the

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same time it’s imperative that we as

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parents are intentional about teaching

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our children that they’re a part of the

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body of Christ it’s tempting to keep our

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children to ourself my my oldest is 11

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and she’s getting to the point now where

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she wants to she wants to serve in the

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church and and there’s a part of me

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sometimes that wants to keep her at home

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I want you to stay here I want you to

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serve me I want you to serve in our home

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we need you help me in here but her

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heart is she wants to minister and and

0:11:51.639,0:11:57.319
recognizing for me she is a part of the

0:11:54.350,0:11:59.690
body of Christ just as much as I am and

0:11:57.319,0:12:01.459
so giving her those opportunities to

0:11:59.690,0:12:04.040
stretch her wings a little bit and to

0:12:01.459,0:12:07.250
learn how to serve within the churches

0:12:04.040,0:12:08.959
is important it’s also important that I

0:12:07.250,0:12:11.959
recognize that while I’m the primary

0:12:08.959,0:12:13.220
disciple ER there’s other voices that

0:12:11.959,0:12:15.139
can speak into my children’s lives

0:12:13.220,0:12:17.449
there’s other people that can come

0:12:15.139,0:12:20.000
alongside and can say something that

0:12:17.449,0:12:23.060
maybe I want to think of saying the the

0:12:20.000,0:12:26.930
body which includes our children needs

0:12:23.060,0:12:28.880
the body and I can’t always give my

0:12:26.930,0:12:31.220
children everything they need they need

0:12:28.880,0:12:33.740
the body and it’s tempting sometimes to

0:12:31.220,0:12:35.480
think because I have this responsibility

0:12:33.740,0:12:36.620
to be the decipher I’m the only one

0:12:35.480,0:12:38.899
who’s allowed to speak to my children

0:12:36.620,0:12:41.660
I’m the only one who’s allowed to teach

0:12:38.899,0:12:45.290
my children and there’s something lost

0:12:41.660,0:12:48.079
when we remove them from the richness of

0:12:45.290,0:12:49.519
that body life where no I want them to

0:12:48.079,0:12:51.290
go out there I want them to hear what

0:12:49.519,0:12:53.449
other people are teaching I want them to

0:12:51.290,0:12:55.579
interact with other Christians I want

0:12:53.449,0:12:57.680
them to then come back and tell me what

0:12:55.579,0:12:59.240
they what they learned what they heard I

0:12:57.680,0:13:01.670
want us to be able to talk through it

0:12:59.240,0:13:05.600
together but I don’t want them to think

0:13:01.670,0:13:08.389
that they need me to grow spiritually I

0:13:05.600,0:13:10.519
am teaching them to depend on the spirit

0:13:08.389,0:13:12.819
not to depend on me and one of the ways

0:13:10.519,0:13:15.970
I do that is by teaching them too

0:13:12.819,0:13:18.399
integrate themselves into the body of

0:13:15.970,0:13:20.649
Christ not just your only integrated

0:13:18.399,0:13:22.299
into our family and I decided what

0:13:20.649,0:13:24.339
everything else is going to be as far as

0:13:22.299,0:13:26.739
ministry is concerned I let them make

0:13:24.339,0:13:28.929
some of those decisions I let them be

0:13:26.739,0:13:30.669
taught by other people and I’m

0:13:28.929,0:13:33.009
intentional about knowing what they’re

0:13:30.669,0:13:34.749
learning and interacting with them about

0:13:33.009,0:13:36.789
it but it’s so important that I

0:13:34.749,0:13:39.699
recognize they’re a member of the body

0:13:36.789,0:13:42.399
and the body needs them I need them and

0:13:39.699,0:13:46.049
it’s so it’s so beautiful to see your

0:13:42.399,0:13:48.220
own children side-by-side I remember

0:13:46.049,0:13:50.799
when I was a teenager one time my dad

0:13:48.220,0:13:52.899
call me bro and I was like that was that

0:13:50.799,0:13:54.009
was very sort of a Freudian slip for him

0:13:52.899,0:13:56.949
but I was realizing you know he’s

0:13:54.009,0:14:01.479
starting to see me as as a brother in

0:13:56.949,0:14:03.489
Christ you know and my mom she she text

0:14:01.479,0:14:05.859
messaged me a question from her Bible

0:14:03.489,0:14:07.269
reading this morning you know because

0:14:05.859,0:14:10.059
she started and seeing me as a teacher

0:14:07.269,0:14:12.789
in her life and it’s such it’s it’s so

0:14:10.059,0:14:15.639
neat to see how you know they bring you

0:14:12.789,0:14:17.229
up on the way you should go right and

0:14:15.639,0:14:19.059
then you get a speak truth into their

0:14:17.229,0:14:20.829
life and my children are young but

0:14:19.059,0:14:22.989
they’re still starting to they’re still

0:14:20.829,0:14:25.539
starting to do that they’re starting I’m

0:14:22.989,0:14:27.819
learning things from them that’s such a

0:14:25.539,0:14:30.009
pleasure so cool because you think about

0:14:27.819,0:14:35.069
your kids being able to serve in

0:14:30.009,0:14:37.929
ministry and if they were in a

0:14:35.069,0:14:39.669
traditional school where they’d be four

0:14:37.929,0:14:41.829
six seven hours a day and then go home

0:14:39.669,0:14:45.729
and have you know two to four hours of

0:14:41.829,0:14:48.999
homework at night they would they would

0:14:45.729,0:14:53.039
miss opportunities yes there there’s so

0:14:48.999,0:14:56.619
much wasted time in a regular school day

0:14:53.039,0:14:59.649
it’s it’s for me as an educator is very

0:14:56.619,0:15:00.759
frustrating but it the reason there’s so

0:14:59.649,0:15:02.649
much waste of times because there’s so

0:15:00.759,0:15:03.819
many people and when you have a whole

0:15:02.649,0:15:04.749
bunch of people and you’re managing a

0:15:03.819,0:15:06.970
whole bunch of people you’re going to

0:15:04.749,0:15:10.149
lose a lot of time and that’s the beauty

0:15:06.970,0:15:12.309
of home school and and I think that home

0:15:10.149,0:15:13.720
school parents need to remember the

0:15:12.309,0:15:15.459
advantage you have as a homeschool

0:15:13.720,0:15:16.569
parent you don’t need to waste time you

0:15:15.459,0:15:19.089
don’t need to think oh well everybody

0:15:16.569,0:15:21.279
else is going just in school from 7:30

0:15:19.089,0:15:23.649
to 2:30 so we better make sure we’re in

0:15:21.279,0:15:24.900
school from 7:30 to 2:30 they’re not in

0:15:23.649,0:15:28.440
school from 7:30 to

0:15:24.900,0:15:30.690
thirty during that time maybe 45 minutes

0:15:28.440,0:15:33.180
to 90 minutes is actually spent with

0:15:30.690,0:15:36.180
rich learning experience the rest of it

0:15:33.180,0:15:37.620
is just wasted time and those kids come

0:15:36.180,0:15:38.100
home exhausted and then they have work

0:15:37.620,0:15:39.510
to do

0:15:38.100,0:15:40.890
whereas a home schooler they wake up

0:15:39.510,0:15:43.170
they get to start their homework and

0:15:40.890,0:15:45.540
they get to be done by noon and have

0:15:43.170,0:15:47.970
time to do other things have time to

0:15:45.540,0:15:50.790
integrate into the church and minister

0:15:47.970,0:15:55.890
and recognize what’s really important is

0:15:50.790,0:15:58.650
that school time after school yeah and

0:15:55.890,0:16:00.570
and that’s that’s key and that’s one of

0:15:58.650,0:16:04.980
the things that happens with home

0:16:00.570,0:16:09.240
schoolers is they they realize that life

0:16:04.980,0:16:13.020
is their classroom I had many times

0:16:09.240,0:16:14.580
where I’d be teaching junior high and I

0:16:13.020,0:16:16.110
would ask the students questions or I

0:16:14.580,0:16:19.200
would break them into groups and I’d

0:16:16.110,0:16:20.880
have them do some sort of assignment

0:16:19.200,0:16:22.950
some sort of group assignment where I

0:16:20.880,0:16:25.529
wanted him to engage God’s Word and

0:16:22.950,0:16:27.089
think about it for themself and I would

0:16:25.529,0:16:29.190
constantly get back from my public

0:16:27.089,0:16:32.160
school students and your hi this isn’t

0:16:29.190,0:16:33.660
school this isn’t school right and the

0:16:32.160,0:16:36.360
home schoolers are looking at them like

0:16:33.660,0:16:38.790
cool what’s what what is their problem

0:16:36.360,0:16:40.170
like we’re everywhere you go you’re

0:16:38.790,0:16:41.850
learning what do they mean this isn’t

0:16:40.170,0:16:44.250
school they’re like I’m off the clock

0:16:41.850,0:16:46.620
now right I’ve checked out I’m not gonna

0:16:44.250,0:16:49.760
do that anymore it’s time for my brain

0:16:46.620,0:16:53.100
to be turned off and and that that’s

0:16:49.760,0:16:55.050
that’s the key I think for homeschool

0:16:53.100,0:16:58.080
parents is to recognize that turning

0:16:55.050,0:17:00.510
your brain off isn’t fun that’s the lie

0:16:58.080,0:17:02.490
that my students have bought into in the

0:17:00.510,0:17:03.750
public school system is that they want

0:17:02.490,0:17:05.429
to get to that point where they can just

0:17:03.750,0:17:06.390
sort of amuse themselves where you can

0:17:05.429,0:17:09.689
get to the end of the day and you can

0:17:06.390,0:17:11.429
turn your brain off it’s not fun to have

0:17:09.689,0:17:13.530
your brain turned off you don’t need to

0:17:11.429,0:17:16.559
turn your brain off to go to you know to

0:17:13.530,0:17:18.600
to unwind in the evening reading a book

0:17:16.559,0:17:22.380
that challenges you can be extremely

0:17:18.600,0:17:24.829
relaxing listening to a lecture before

0:17:22.380,0:17:27.510
you go to sleep can be very enjoyable

0:17:24.829,0:17:29.160
and if you have a passion for learning

0:17:27.510,0:17:31.410
that’s that’s what you’re going to

0:17:29.160,0:17:34.080
choose instead of just choosing to do

0:17:31.410,0:17:35.140
things that are gonna amuse you so you

0:17:34.080,0:17:37.780
don’t have to

0:17:35.140,0:17:39.850
think and and that’s the that’s the the

0:17:37.780,0:17:42.790
danger in our culture is so much of our

0:17:39.850,0:17:45.580
culture has this focus on we need to

0:17:42.790,0:17:46.900
entertain ourselves we need to amuse our

0:17:45.580,0:17:50.710
brain so we don’t have to think because

0:17:46.900,0:17:55.960
it’s so tiring to think it’s not hiring

0:17:50.710,0:17:58.480
to think we we make the choice to stress

0:17:55.960,0:18:00.880
out overthinking really what’s what’s

0:17:58.480,0:18:03.430
tiring is trying to impress everybody

0:18:00.880,0:18:04.750
all day long with our thoughts and I

0:18:03.430,0:18:07.870
think that sometimes home schoolers

0:18:04.750,0:18:09.460
don’t buy into that they’re not they’re

0:18:07.870,0:18:11.050
not out there worrying so much about

0:18:09.460,0:18:12.220
what people are thinking about them all

0:18:11.050,0:18:15.040
the time and saying them I think that’s

0:18:12.220,0:18:18.400
what’s exhausting thinking is not

0:18:15.040,0:18:21.490
exhausting although I am an introvert so

0:18:18.400,0:18:25.980
I do enjoy time inside my own head I

0:18:21.490,0:18:28.420
have to admit that talking about you you

0:18:25.980,0:18:30.130
talked a little bit about you know you

0:18:28.420,0:18:31.600
guys do your dinnertime and then you

0:18:30.130,0:18:35.410
will spend time reading together as a

0:18:31.600,0:18:40.420
family and reading the Bible together do

0:18:35.410,0:18:42.430
you have a like a better word format

0:18:40.420,0:18:44.680
that you use for doing like a family

0:18:42.430,0:18:47.620
devotion time with your kids and because

0:18:44.680,0:18:49.720
I know a lot of dads would say I don’t

0:18:47.620,0:18:52.600
know how to do family devotions I don’t

0:18:49.720,0:18:54.790
know how to teach the Bible to my kids I

0:18:52.600,0:18:56.230
don’t know and you’re in ministry and

0:18:54.790,0:18:57.640
you grew up in a home school and so it

0:18:56.230,0:18:59.770
comes very naturally for you to be able

0:18:57.640,0:19:02.620
to do that how would you encourage other

0:18:59.770,0:19:05.230
dads to be able to do that with their

0:19:02.620,0:19:07.150
kids if they’re not as you know maybe

0:19:05.230,0:19:09.190
they’re new believers or you know

0:19:07.150,0:19:12.580
whatever they’re just not as experienced

0:19:09.190,0:19:14.080
how can you how would you teach your dad

0:19:12.580,0:19:16.000
he would ask you how in the world do I

0:19:14.080,0:19:20.880
do this what I would say to a dad who’s

0:19:16.000,0:19:25.030
struggling with family devotions is um

0:19:20.880,0:19:28.330
wouldn’t it be wonderful if Jesus could

0:19:25.030,0:19:30.460
just come to us and tell us exactly what

0:19:28.330,0:19:32.680
to say to our family wouldn’t it be

0:19:30.460,0:19:35.770
great if maybe some of the people who

0:19:32.680,0:19:36.820
who lived when Jesus was alive and

0:19:35.770,0:19:39.250
walked around with him and saw

0:19:36.820,0:19:40.840
everything could come in and just sort

0:19:39.250,0:19:46.840
of teach us what what we’re supposed to

0:19:40.840,0:19:49.130
do we have that we have God’s Word and

0:19:46.840,0:19:50.960
so often we feel as

0:19:49.130,0:19:53.419
dad’s inadequate to disciple our

0:19:50.960,0:19:56.150
children because we are and our words

0:19:53.419,0:19:58.789
are always going to have errors whenever

0:19:56.150,0:20:01.190
I write a sermon or I teach a Bible

0:19:58.789,0:20:04.039
study afterwards I always think about

0:20:01.190,0:20:05.330
all the mistakes I’ll have people come

0:20:04.039,0:20:06.919
up to me and they’ll say you know I said

0:20:05.330,0:20:08.690
you said this I don’t know if that’s

0:20:06.919,0:20:10.910
quite true and I’ll have to admit yeah I

0:20:08.690,0:20:13.280
made a mistake and I’ll never be a

0:20:10.910,0:20:15.470
perfect sermon I’ll never teach it for a

0:20:13.280,0:20:16.280
perfect Bibles lesson but when I read

0:20:15.470,0:20:19.220
God’s Word

0:20:16.280,0:20:21.919
my words are perfect and what a

0:20:19.220,0:20:24.799
privilege disciple in your children

0:20:21.919,0:20:30.350
means dedicating yourself to the reading

0:20:24.799,0:20:33.230
of God’s Word and and I love that we

0:20:30.350,0:20:36.620
could we have the the prophetic word

0:20:33.230,0:20:38.030
made sure God has preserved it for us

0:20:36.620,0:20:40.190
and he tells us over and over again

0:20:38.030,0:20:42.679
that’s where the power lies it’s not in

0:20:40.190,0:20:44.659
you I mean we receive with meekness the

0:20:42.679,0:20:47.030
implanted word which does what it’s able

0:20:44.659,0:20:49.730
to save our souls right the Word of God

0:20:47.030,0:20:52.190
is perfect david says in the Psalms

0:20:49.730,0:20:53.840
converting the soul like what’s going to

0:20:52.190,0:20:57.140
convert my children to Christianity it’s

0:20:53.840,0:21:00.409
God’s Word it’s not my words and so what

0:20:57.140,0:21:03.500
I get to do if I can read I can disciple

0:21:00.409,0:21:06.950
and all that means is I open that book

0:21:03.500,0:21:09.470
up God’s Word and I read it to my

0:21:06.950,0:21:12.980
children but I read it confidently I

0:21:09.470,0:21:15.530
read it knowing this is where faith

0:21:12.980,0:21:18.679
comes from a faith comes from hearing

0:21:15.530,0:21:20.600
and hearing by the Word of God it’s not

0:21:18.679,0:21:23.690
about me being a great teacher I mean

0:21:20.600,0:21:26.419
Paul said that his words were not

0:21:23.690,0:21:27.169
anything to be desired but you read what

0:21:26.419,0:21:30.260
he wrote

0:21:27.169,0:21:32.179
that’s God’s Word that’s the implanted

0:21:30.260,0:21:35.299
word that’s the word that brings faith

0:21:32.179,0:21:39.380
by hearing it and that’s all that I need

0:21:35.299,0:21:41.330
to do as a dad yeah I I can speak

0:21:39.380,0:21:43.130
eloquently about it I can do those

0:21:41.330,0:21:45.380
things and it’s so natural for me

0:21:43.130,0:21:47.570
because I grew up memorizing it to think

0:21:45.380,0:21:50.299
of Scripture and to repeat those to my

0:21:47.570,0:21:53.210
children and I encourage every dad that

0:21:50.299,0:21:54.679
if all the if all of your time and the

0:21:53.210,0:21:56.960
word is reading it as your family that’s

0:21:54.679,0:21:58.970
part of your problem you need to be in

0:21:56.960,0:21:59.810
that word yourself you need to be

0:21:58.970,0:22:02.150
passionate about

0:21:59.810,0:22:04.940
if you really want your children to love

0:22:02.150,0:22:07.400
Jesus you need to demonstrate that by

0:22:04.940,0:22:10.370
reading what he’s written to you and as

0:22:07.400,0:22:13.310
you read that it’ll start to flow it’ll

0:22:10.370,0:22:15.230
start to flow through you and all you do

0:22:13.310,0:22:16.760
you just dedicate yourself dedicate

0:22:15.230,0:22:18.230
that’s the word that Paul used dedicate

0:22:16.760,0:22:20.510
yourself to the reading of God’s Word

0:22:18.230,0:22:22.070
and think about those early churches as

0:22:20.510,0:22:24.020
they gathered weekly all they had were

0:22:22.070,0:22:26.000
these letters and they were just read

0:22:24.020,0:22:27.730
them because they knew these were true

0:22:26.000,0:22:30.080
because everybody it was a new believer

0:22:27.730,0:22:32.240
nobody had it all together but they had

0:22:30.080,0:22:35.210
these letters from those guys who are

0:22:32.240,0:22:37.580
with him and so they would read them and

0:22:35.210,0:22:41.570
this the second thing I encourage dads

0:22:37.580,0:22:43.430
with is this Jesus said before he left

0:22:41.570,0:22:45.860
he told the disciples they’re distraught

0:22:43.430,0:22:48.920
Jesus is leaving them and he said it’s

0:22:45.860,0:22:50.030
better if I go and and if you just stop

0:22:48.920,0:22:51.560
and think about that I mean may you

0:22:50.030,0:22:53.870
maybe you’ve heard it before but if you

0:22:51.560,0:22:56.270
stop and think about that so often we

0:22:53.870,0:23:00.110
read Jesus words and we think of them as

0:22:56.270,0:23:02.870
hyperbole because we do that well I

0:23:00.110,0:23:04.670
heard recently that the word literally

0:23:02.870,0:23:06.590
now in the dictionary there’s actually a

0:23:04.670,0:23:09.650
definition of it meaning figuratively

0:23:06.590,0:23:12.590
right and so like were the Masters in

0:23:09.650,0:23:15.200
American culture today of nothing really

0:23:12.590,0:23:17.660
means what we what we’re saying if Jesus

0:23:15.200,0:23:19.790
said something he meant it so when Jesus

0:23:17.660,0:23:21.920
said it’s better if I go he’s not like

0:23:19.790,0:23:23.600
you know my grandma when she’s on her

0:23:21.920,0:23:26.510
deathbed saying it’s better if I go

0:23:23.600,0:23:29.480
right no he means it he means it’s

0:23:26.510,0:23:32.630
genuinely better if I go this is gonna

0:23:29.480,0:23:34.220
be better for you for me to not be on

0:23:32.630,0:23:36.920
earth any more it’s gonna be better for

0:23:34.220,0:23:39.560
you for you not having me standing next

0:23:36.920,0:23:41.690
to you is gonna be better for you and

0:23:39.560,0:23:43.630
why what gives the answer he says

0:23:41.690,0:23:46.040
because then that comforter King come

0:23:43.630,0:23:49.880
because then the Holy Spirit can come

0:23:46.040,0:23:52.910
and the amazing blessing we have every

0:23:49.880,0:23:54.320
single dad has this you have an

0:23:52.910,0:23:56.720
anointing from the Holy One and you know

0:23:54.320,0:23:58.160
all things that’s crazy

0:23:56.720,0:24:00.350
John tells us you have an anointing from

0:23:58.160,0:24:04.040
the Holy One and you know all things you

0:24:00.350,0:24:06.590
you know everything you need to know you

0:24:04.040,0:24:08.210
have it right now because you have the

0:24:06.590,0:24:09.650
Holy Spirit inside of you so Jesus

0:24:08.210,0:24:10.570
taught us the Holy Spirit inside of you

0:24:09.650,0:24:12.670
is better than

0:24:10.570,0:24:15.220
right there telling you what to do the

0:24:12.670,0:24:18.520
Holy Spirit is inside of you and so what

0:24:15.220,0:24:19.780
I encourage men to do when they disciple

0:24:18.520,0:24:22.000
their family when they do family

0:24:19.780,0:24:25.300
devotions is trust God’s Word and trust

0:24:22.000,0:24:27.940
the spirit inside of you and for me part

0:24:25.300,0:24:29.920
of that is I don’t I don’t always have a

0:24:27.940,0:24:31.420
plan usually I’m just reading through a

0:24:29.920,0:24:33.700
book I’m reading through the song so we

0:24:31.420,0:24:34.870
love to read through the Proverbs during

0:24:33.700,0:24:38.620
the summer that’s just something that

0:24:34.870,0:24:40.540
that we started doing and I like to pair

0:24:38.620,0:24:42.400
it with some other books that were

0:24:40.540,0:24:44.320
reading we’ll usually read some some

0:24:42.400,0:24:49.300
fiction and then I’ll read God’s Word

0:24:44.320,0:24:51.910
and my kids are talkers my kids have so

0:24:49.300,0:24:53.620
much personality it just it’s it’s weird

0:24:51.910,0:24:56.470
for me to be in my home because I’m from

0:24:53.620,0:24:58.180
a family of nine children and all of my

0:24:56.470,0:25:01.090
siblings were introverts and all of my

0:24:58.180,0:25:03.250
kids are not and so they love to talk

0:25:01.090,0:25:05.410
about God’s Word and I’ll just read it

0:25:03.250,0:25:07.180
to them and ask some questions and they

0:25:05.410,0:25:08.740
I’ve taught them to raise their hands

0:25:07.180,0:25:10.150
cuz I’m a schoolteacher but every hand

0:25:08.740,0:25:11.980
is up they all have something they want

0:25:10.150,0:25:13.660
to say even my three-year-old who can’t

0:25:11.980,0:25:16.360
quite speak yet she wants to say

0:25:13.660,0:25:19.030
something about what it is now read and

0:25:16.360,0:25:21.490
we just talked about it and I trust as I

0:25:19.030,0:25:23.590
read God’s Word and as I depend on the

0:25:21.490,0:25:25.930
Holy Spirit that’s gonna be effective

0:25:23.590,0:25:28.630
that’s going to bring faith because

0:25:25.930,0:25:30.700
God’s Word doesn’t ever return to him

0:25:28.630,0:25:32.680
avoid it always accomplishes what he

0:25:30.700,0:25:34.510
sends it out for and I can trust that I

0:25:32.680,0:25:37.930
don’t have to trust in my own skills or

0:25:34.510,0:25:50.320
abilities I can trust his word and the

0:25:37.930,0:25:53.350
Holy Spirit inside of me I do have one

0:25:50.320,0:25:58.450
more okay this is and I know you’ve hit

0:25:53.350,0:26:00.820
on this several times through and this

0:25:58.450,0:26:05.880
is just a philosophical question it’s

0:26:00.820,0:26:09.520
not about your family why holds good

0:26:05.880,0:26:13.480
what it makes homeschool worthwhile why

0:26:09.520,0:26:15.730
homes mm-hmm you know that question of

0:26:13.480,0:26:18.370
why homeschool is essential of this

0:26:15.730,0:26:20.920
conversation because if you don’t know

0:26:18.370,0:26:22.480
the answer that question you’re going to

0:26:20.920,0:26:27.309
give up

0:26:22.480,0:26:30.429
I run marathons for fun and every time I

0:26:27.309,0:26:33.100
get to about mile 22 I start asking why

0:26:30.429,0:26:37.660
and if I don’t have an answer before the

0:26:33.100,0:26:40.240
race starts I’m not gonna finish it’s

0:26:37.660,0:26:42.580
for me part of the reason i run the

0:26:40.240,0:26:45.940
marathon is because i want to stay fit

0:26:42.580,0:26:48.400
and i enjoy racing it’s fun

0:26:45.940,0:26:49.540
and then lastly when i’m really there

0:26:48.400,0:26:51.460
close to the end it’s well i’ve already

0:26:49.540,0:26:54.429
spent the money so I better finish and

0:26:51.460,0:26:56.320
get my medal right when when you’re in

0:26:54.429,0:26:59.350
the thick of things it’s gonna be so

0:26:56.320,0:27:01.480
easy to quit if you haven’t counted the

0:26:59.350,0:27:03.669
cost right Jesus teaches us you don’t

0:27:01.480,0:27:05.230
build the tower if you don’t first count

0:27:03.669,0:27:07.450
the cost you don’t go to war if you

0:27:05.230,0:27:11.020
don’t go and figure out you know can we

0:27:07.450,0:27:12.880
win this is this something we can do so

0:27:11.020,0:27:15.160
I think every single family needs to

0:27:12.880,0:27:16.919
answer that question before they start

0:27:15.160,0:27:20.320
they need to have an answer for

0:27:16.919,0:27:22.270
themselves and it’s so important that

0:27:20.320,0:27:24.910
that’s not something that you’re doing

0:27:22.270,0:27:25.660
because everybody around you does it you

0:27:24.910,0:27:28.350
go to a church where everybody

0:27:25.660,0:27:31.480
homeschools so you better homeschool

0:27:28.350,0:27:33.820
you’re not doing it because you were

0:27:31.480,0:27:37.210
raised homeschooling and that’s just

0:27:33.820,0:27:39.190
what you do you need to have a reason to

0:27:37.210,0:27:41.559
home-school or you’re gonna give up on

0:27:39.190,0:27:43.480
it you’re not going to stick with it and

0:27:41.559,0:27:45.190
so I think for everybody that’s that’s a

0:27:43.480,0:27:46.780
question they have to ask themselves and

0:27:45.190,0:27:51.429
that’s a that’s an answer they have to

0:27:46.780,0:27:54.250
find for themselves I think that it’s

0:27:51.429,0:27:56.260
possible to be intentional about

0:27:54.250,0:28:00.970
disciple in your children without

0:27:56.260,0:28:02.890
homeschooling them but for me I don’t

0:28:00.970,0:28:05.559
know how to do that I don’t know how to

0:28:02.890,0:28:07.630
be intentional about disciple in my

0:28:05.559,0:28:11.049
children I don’t know how to raise my

0:28:07.630,0:28:13.299
children to prepare them for the the

0:28:11.049,0:28:16.480
spiritual warfare that lies ahead

0:28:13.299,0:28:20.350
without homeschooling them as as a

0:28:16.480,0:28:22.929
public school teacher that public

0:28:20.350,0:28:26.200
schools are the cesspool of our society

0:28:22.929,0:28:28.330
our society has gone downhill and when

0:28:26.200,0:28:30.100
you go into a public school you have

0:28:28.330,0:28:32.620
these children who are raised by people

0:28:30.100,0:28:34.120
with no morals and every single

0:28:32.620,0:28:35.529
generation is compounded

0:28:34.120,0:28:37.809
and I’ve been I’ve been doing this for

0:28:35.529,0:28:39.940
14 years in every single year it’s been

0:28:37.809,0:28:44.710
compounded and these children have no

0:28:39.940,0:28:47.260
morals at all and if if parents think

0:28:44.710,0:28:50.380
it’s difficult in the workplace to be

0:28:47.260,0:28:52.960
surrounded by pagans imagine their

0:28:50.380,0:28:55.539
children without those pagans parents

0:28:52.960,0:28:58.210
there to do anything about it it’s chaos

0:28:55.539,0:29:01.150
and teachers have their hands completely

0:28:58.210,0:29:05.890
tied and we’ve removed any consequence

0:29:01.150,0:29:07.600
for any any misbehavior at all and and

0:29:05.890,0:29:09.820
so it’s just just horrible what children

0:29:07.600,0:29:12.100
do to each other it’s horrible the

0:29:09.820,0:29:15.669
things that children say to each other

0:29:12.100,0:29:17.260
and I don’t raise my children because

0:29:15.669,0:29:19.899
I’m gonna preserve them from the Lord

0:29:17.260,0:29:22.899
from the world I raise my children to

0:29:19.899,0:29:26.500
prepare them to engage the world and and

0:29:22.899,0:29:30.220
so by the time they’re grown they should

0:29:26.500,0:29:32.950
be able to handle go into Cal State

0:29:30.220,0:29:34.929
Berkeley or Stanford or Harvard and and

0:29:32.950,0:29:37.690
facing everything this world has to

0:29:34.929,0:29:40.600
offer but they’ll be equipped to face it

0:29:37.690,0:29:42.940
and part of that means I’m intentional

0:29:40.600,0:29:46.380
about exposing them to things in the

0:29:42.940,0:29:50.020
world with me there to encourage them

0:29:46.380,0:29:51.820
one of one of the things that I really

0:29:50.020,0:29:54.429
appreciate about my parents is they

0:29:51.820,0:29:56.230
stuck us in all sorts of sports teams

0:29:54.429,0:29:59.200
and sports leagues from a really young

0:29:56.230,0:30:01.539
age and they would be on these these

0:29:59.200,0:30:03.700
city leagues for swimming we’d be on the

0:30:01.539,0:30:05.260
swim team and we’d be on the city team

0:30:03.700,0:30:08.590
for a basketball and I played Little

0:30:05.260,0:30:10.120
League and all that stuff and and as we

0:30:08.590,0:30:11.980
were doing that we’re exposed to you

0:30:10.120,0:30:13.779
know we learned all the bad words that

0:30:11.980,0:30:16.450
were out there we learned all sorts of

0:30:13.779,0:30:18.340
things that I’m sure my parents didn’t

0:30:16.450,0:30:19.779
really want us to learn those things but

0:30:18.340,0:30:21.940
they knew we had to deal with him but

0:30:19.779,0:30:23.679
they’re always right there and we had an

0:30:21.940,0:30:25.090
open relationship so we would dialogue

0:30:23.679,0:30:26.710
about those things and they would

0:30:25.090,0:30:29.260
prepare us for how to handle those

0:30:26.710,0:30:31.299
things as a homeschool graduate I have a

0:30:29.260,0:30:34.600
lot of peers whose parents didn’t do

0:30:31.299,0:30:37.809
that and they turned 18 19 20 and if

0:30:34.600,0:30:40.450
they moved out of their home which a lot

0:30:37.809,0:30:42.730
of them didn’t but those who did their

0:30:40.450,0:30:45.399
faith was shipwrecked they had no

0:30:42.730,0:30:46.300
ability at all to deal with the things

0:30:45.399,0:30:48.940
in the world because they

0:30:46.300,0:30:52.270
never faced it in their life they they’d

0:30:48.940,0:30:56.290
been so sheltered that they hadn’t been

0:30:52.270,0:30:58.240
prepared and so homeschooling works one

0:30:56.290,0:30:59.800
more intentional about equipping our

0:30:58.240,0:31:02.950
children to engage with the world and

0:30:59.800,0:31:05.560
then giving them those opportunities as

0:31:02.950,0:31:08.860
as somebody who’s ministered and youth

0:31:05.560,0:31:11.830
ministries in my church for years it

0:31:08.860,0:31:14.350
breaks my heart when homeschool parents

0:31:11.830,0:31:16.450
keep their kids out of the youth group

0:31:14.350,0:31:18.270
because they’re afraid of what the youth

0:31:16.450,0:31:20.380
group might do them well what I think

0:31:18.270,0:31:22.990
parents should be doing is bringing

0:31:20.380,0:31:25.270
their kids to that youth group so their

0:31:22.990,0:31:28.300
kids can learn to evangelize the lost

0:31:25.270,0:31:30.640
because what better venue to do it in

0:31:28.300,0:31:32.620
then in the church right it’s hard to

0:31:30.640,0:31:34.780
you know go door to door you know maybe

0:31:32.620,0:31:36.610
just send them off on some sports team

0:31:34.780,0:31:38.800
I’m sure it’s hard for my parents but if

0:31:36.610,0:31:40.870
there’s there’s that at that youth group

0:31:38.800,0:31:42.460
you have unchurched kids coming in you

0:31:40.870,0:31:44.530
could bring your kids and you can teach

0:31:42.460,0:31:46.150
them how to share the gospel and then

0:31:44.530,0:31:47.710
you can stay there and you can watch

0:31:46.150,0:31:50.170
them do it and you can talk to them

0:31:47.710,0:31:52.870
afterwards about how it went if you’re

0:31:50.170,0:31:55.180
if you’re never having your children

0:31:52.870,0:31:58.120
evangelize you’re not disciple in them

0:31:55.180,0:32:00.790
that the greatest commission that Jesus

0:31:58.120,0:32:02.830
gave us is missing from their diet how

0:32:00.790,0:32:06.640
can how can you do that you need to find

0:32:02.830,0:32:09.010
opportunities ways to do that so so when

0:32:06.640,0:32:12.160
you answer that question why homeschool

0:32:09.010,0:32:14.680
make sure it’s not because I’m going to

0:32:12.160,0:32:16.270
prevent my children from engaging with

0:32:14.680,0:32:19.540
the world it’s because you’re gonna

0:32:16.270,0:32:21.160
prepare your children to engage with the

0:32:19.540,0:32:22.710
world you’re going to be intentional

0:32:21.160,0:32:25.900
about it and you’re gonna use

0:32:22.710,0:32:27.850
homeschooling to make them the the

0:32:25.900,0:32:30.450
brightest light that they can be for the

0:32:27.850,0:32:30.450
kingdom of God

0:32:31.910,0:32:36.530
[Laughter]

0:32:37.019,0:32:40.019
excellent

0:32:42.620,0:32:45.740
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[Music]

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