Pointing our Children Toward Christ – Apologetics and Evangelism with Eric Hovind

Join Yvette Hampton and Eric Hovind, President and Founder of Creation Today, for a 2-part episode, as they discuss how to make science fun and applicable, why a Biblical worldview matters, the importance of pointing our children to Christ, sharing the Gospel, and the impact our secular education system is having on our children and culture.

Eric Hovind grew up immersed in the world of apologetics and following college graduation in 1999, began full-time ministry. President and Founder of Creation Today, Eric’s passion to reach people with the life-changing message of the Gospel has driven him to speak in eight foreign countries and all fifty states, to produce 132 episodes of The Creation Today Show broadcasting on three continents, and to translate resources into 42 languages.

Desiring synergy for many creation organizations, Hovind began the Creation Network with four websites already launched including: SearchCreation.org, VisitCreation.org, CreationEvents.org, CreationSpeakers.org, and several more sites near integration.

Excited to have completed their most ambitious undertaking to date, their seven-year 3D film project, GENESIS: Paradise Lost played on over 1,200 screens nationwide November 2017 and is being translated into over 40 languages. Pioneering this work is just one of their many endeavors as Eric and the Creation Today team’s mission remains steadfast: impact the world to KNOW and DEFEND their Creator-GOD!

Eric lives in Pensacola, Florida with his wife Tanya and three children and they enjoy anything outdoors including building projects, riding motorcycles, hiking, and going to the beach. Hovind also remains undefeated in rubber band shooting contests.

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1 Samuel 12:14-15

If you will fear the Lord and serve him and obey his voice and not rebel against the commandment of the Lord, and if both you and the king who reigns over you will follow the Lord your God, it will be well. But if you will not obey the voice of the Lord, but rebel against the commandment of the Lord, then the hand of the Lord will be against you and your king.

Ephesians 6:10-17

“Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm. Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, and, as shoes for your feet, having put on the readiness given by the gospel of peace. In all circumstances take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming darts of the evil one; and take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.”

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Yvette Hampton:                       Hey everyone, this is Yvette Hampton, host of The Schoolhouse Rocked Podcast. Thank you for joining me again today. I have an amazing guest on today that I have been waiting to have on the podcast for months and months and months. His name is Eric Hovind and he is the president and founder of Creation Today. We actually met Eric last year at the Teach Them Diligently homeschool convention in Nashville, Tennessee. I know you guys hear me say that a lot. We meet a lot of people at conventions and it’s so much fun because we get to sit and talk to people and get to know them and get to know about their ministry. And we were familiar of course with you already, Eric, but getting to meet you in person was really just a pleasure. And so I think we actually asked you at that time, will you be on the podcast and you said yes. And so now it’s worked out for us to get together. So Eric, welcome to the podcast.

Eric Hovind:                  Well, thank you so much. Hey to all the Schoolhouse Rocked fans out there. Thank you guys for investing the time and energy that’s necessary to your children just the way God taught you to. So I just, I love it and love what you guys are doing.

Yvette Hampton:                       Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Tell us a little bit about you and your family and about Creation Today. What you do.

Eric Hovind:                  I love my family. God has blessed me with three amazing children, still married to my first wife, praise God. And God is just so good. We’re a family that loves adventure. So if it comes to Disney world versus riding motorcycles, we’re more interested in the motorcycles. That’s just kind of the family that we are. My girls, I got two girls that are now 17, 15, and then my son Jordan is 12 and we are all about having adventures. Next weekend we’re camping, rain or shine and bright. And right now in Florida got a little bit cold. It got down – listen to this – below 30 degrees in Florida. That is a sin of mother nature on the state of Florida. That should not ever happen.

Yvette Hampton:                       Because people go South for the winter and they don’t expect 30 degree temperatures,

Eric Hovind:                  30 degree weather! So, I have an amazing family. I’m blessed beyond measure. My daughter, next year, is actually looking at going overseas to do some mission work when she gets out of high school. I do not deserve the incredible, incredible children that God lets me watch grow every day. So I feel humbled with who my family is and my amazing wife and my amazing kids. So I’m blessed to be on measure. That’s awesome. Our ministry Creation Today, I love Creation Today, let me tell you, man, Creation Today’s desire is to really see people know their Creator and then learn how to defend him biblically. And that’s a big deal today. How do we take God’s Word and, and God’s world and merge the two together in way that’s harmonious too where we really understand that too, and then present that to the world out there to the secular, to the secular world. So I love Creation Today. We’re all educating and equipping people to know and defend their Creator. And we get some produce videos, DVDs, resources, just all kinds of great stuff that goes out around the world. And God by his grace uses it to change people’s lives. So

Yvette Hampton:                       Yeah, just so cool. All around blessed. And you really do go around the world. You actually just got back from Germany. I heard I did. And can I start

Eric Hovind:                  My petition on your show for an Autobahn in the United States? We need one of those things. I’m telling ya. It is so nice to be able to go as fast as you want. I mean, it is amazing.

Yvette Hampton:                       Well, I’m going to have to go to Germany and find out, apparently

Eric Hovind:                  Me too now don’t rent a Ford. We rented a Ford. Okay. So where I was speaking actually had I get their, you know, and it’s my first time to talk. It’s the largest creation conference they’ve ever had in Germany. Now it’s phenomenal. I said, listen, I love Germany for two reasons so far. You’ve got great food and you’ve got the Autobahn. And so I said, by the way, if anybody has a really fast car, if you could take me, I would really appreciate it. So there was a guy that took me, we got up to 155 miles an hour on the Autobahn and it, I mean, for a thrill secret like me, that was just heaven. What was different is, you know, here in the States, okay, I don’t know if I should say this on your homeschool podcast. I’ve gotten up pretty quick on the interstate.

Eric Hovind:                  You got enough. I’ve got my own land speed record on the interstate from years gone by as a, as a dumb high schooler. All you homeschoolers that are still you know, below the age of 25, the brain isn’t fully developed. Trust your parents. I wish I would’ve trusted mine a whole lot more, I promise. Okay. I promise. But yeah, getting to go 155 miles an hour and not just like here, it’s like you have to get up and come back down. You know, if you were to ever do something like that, which you should never do right over there, you get up and you just, you’re cruising. It’s like you just, you just keep on going 155 miles an hour. It’s amazing. It felt great.

Yvette Hampton:                       Oh wow. I’m not so fun. Oh no, no, no. That sounds like fun. I’m thinking of my children going that fast and how terrifying it would be to know that they were moving that quickly. So they should just go with somebody who’s safe like me. Right. That would make it no problem. Well, you know, and it’s, it’s all about eternity and, and God knows he’s the only one who knows when we’re going to leave this earth. And so he may as well go out doing something really fun and exciting. Right. So on that note all the kids, you’re going to, you’re to have to have some kind of like disclaimer to this, right. Do not try this at home. Exactly. And we in Germany, well I think you probably have some disclaimers and some of the fun things that you do. Cause when we saw you at a teach them diligently, you were doing some pretty crazy things and you are really good at making science fun and applicable two kids. So I want

Eric Hovind:                  To talk about that. I actually, I have a lot of things I want to talk to you about today, but let’s start with that. How do you go about making science fun and applicable for kids? I fell asleep and more church services and in more science classes than I care to remember. And so I always thought if I ever get a chance to ever talk about this stuff, I want to at least make it a lot of fun. And so I really want to get the kids’ attention. And I, I believe God’s Word and God’s world are so amazing that, that we do with a disservice when we make it boring. And if you’re a boring teacher, I’m sorry, I just trashed on you. Okay. But I’m just, I feel like there’s, God’s world is amazing. God’s Word is amazing. In Germany, I just heard Dr. Stuart Burgess, this engineer talk about they’re trying to replicate the dragon fly.

Eric Hovind:                  And what its wings are actually doing. And they did all the mathematical equations, and so they replicated exactly what the dragonfly does. The problem is they can only make the motors. They can only make this mechanism go one 40th. The speed of a dragonflies wings. Wow. Weighs 10 times more than the dragonfly weighs. And they’re just going, God is an amazing designer. Study this out. It’s incredible. So I just, I go, how can you live in this amazing world and not just be in awe of the Creator? It’s pretty amazing. So I don’t know, I just, it comes from a passion that my dad taught science. So growing up I was always getting, you know, physics and astronomy and Oh, physical biology, anatomy. I’m, I’m getting all the different sciences, you know, from him growing up. And it just, it came to be something that I love.

Eric Hovind:                  That’s, so I love to pass that on. If I can get kids to, to spark an interest, because honestly, so many kids are brought up and they’re going to be exposed to a world that says, Hey, God’s Word and God’s world are at odds. And I’m going, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. God’s Word, God’s Word and God’s world are in perfect harmony. You got to see it from the right respect of, otherwise you’re going to really miss out. So that’s probably my biggest thing, is making sure people see that from the right perspective so that it just, it, it comes together and they have a respect and appreciation, a for both God’s Word and God’s Word. So let’s take a little bit deeper into that. How do we do that? How do we do that as homeschool parents with our kids blow something up.

Eric Hovind:                  Just the other day I’m with my son and I said, Hey, let’s blow something up. He’s like, really? Okay. Yeah, let’s go blow something up. I don’t know. I, I just, I want everything to be educational. I don’t look at education as just a, Hey, that’s that time when we do that. And then we have life or we do something else or we’re just playing around or it’s, it’s like all of life is education. So at the appropriate time I try to expose my son to things that I think are interesting. I try to show videos or pictures of science, things that like we watch smarter every day. We’ll watch every day together. I mean that guy, he’s obviously a man of faith and he puts these videos together where he’s explaining things. I was based on his smarter everyday episode on laminar flow that my daughter and I are now building a, Oh, when the tunnel, a big giant wind tunnel and we’re putting semi trucks in there with different modifications to find out, okay, how does the air go by?

Eric Hovind:                  How does it affect it? Do these different modifications to the semi truck really, you know, really decrease the drag, really increased the gas mileage, you know, is this really working in? And so I like to, for me it’s making it practical. It’s not just being book smart, it’s the practical hands on. I mean my dad and I built several houses growing up. I built my house when I got married and I live in the house that I got to build with my own hands growing up. So, how do we, how do we do that? How do, the other thing I tried to do is I always try to point out to my kids, you should’ve given me these questions ahead of time. That’s a tough question. Cause I, by no means, am an expert teacher. I have seen people out there that can do this way better than I can and I’m always kind of jealous of that.

Eric Hovind:                  I think really making it practical. So why are we going to blow something up today? Why are we going to learn about these little, you know, we had some, we had some fireworks and stuff like that, so we did some fireworks. So we had a good time. But why are we going to learn about this and the physics of this and the thrust of this and the… Why are we going to learn about that? Because I believe the more we learn about God’s world, the more it honors God, which is what God wants us to do. He said, I mean, when he, when he talks in the scripture about the things that, that Kings will search out and, and these, you know, these wise people will search for the wisdom and these different things. I go guys, it’s kinda cool to get to learn from the one who made everything from the one who knows everything. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Enjoy, enjoy the time going outdoors and enjoy the time. Now some of you homeschoolers, you’d probably do that too much, don’t you?

Yvette Hampton:                       Right. Let’s go on field trips. Come on everybody. We actually did a whole podcast about the importance of outdoor play. But yeah, I mean it’s so important and I agree. I mean just finding opportunities all around us to point our kids towards Christ and to help them to see because it’s not just let’s go blow something up for the fun of it or let’s set off fireworks for the fun of it. Like, let’s figure out like how did God make this to work? Because it’s not man’s design. It’s God’s design and everything. And my daughter’s studying bugs right now we’re doing at Bob Jones university. We’re doing their science curriculum. And so she’s learning all about bugs. And it’s really cool. It’s just so neat to see God created bugs and animals and insects and how they all work together in, in for God’s creation because they don’t exist just on their own for the purpose of existence, you know, or because some of them look pretty and some of them really don’t. They all work together and, and God created the world to too work. It’s like a dance. I mean, it’s amazing when you look at it and like you said, it’s about perspective, you know, and how we look at God’s creation. I, let’s take a quick break and then I wanna come back and talk about biblical worldview and the importance of that.

Yvette Hampton:                       Okay. So let’s talk about, I know one of the things that you speak a lot on is the importance of a biblical worldview. You talk about Genesis and you know, everything is in the beginning, God created. And that’s where our focal point should be. Anything that we teach to our children, it all really does point back to creation and God as Creator. And if it doesn’t then then in my opinion we’re not teaching it correctly because God is the Creator of all things. So talk about why, why does Genesis even matter and teaching our kids a biblical worldview?

Eric Hovind:                  That is a great question. One that I feel like needs addressed more and more and more inside the church, inside the home and inside a society. I say it like this. Your beliefs will always determine your behaviors and your behaviors will reveal your true beliefs. I think that is a two way street. And we can look and see what’s going on. Somebody claims, Oh I am a Christian, I am doing this. And then they behave in a way that’s totally opposite. People see that and they go, wait that, that’s hypocritical. Wait a minute. Your behavior is betraying your belief. So having a proper understanding, of the beginning, of where we came from. Lets us understand why we live today, why we exist now. And that if you have a good understanding or correct understanding of why we live today and a correct understanding of the beginning, you can understand what we’re, what we’re looking forward to in the future.

Eric Hovind:                  Think about the atheistic or the evolutionary worldview which says, we came about by accident. We are here for no purpose. And when you die, there’s no reason you ever existed. Now you can try to add meaning on top of that and say, well, I’m going to try and make a better life for people in the future. Why? I’m going to try to do good according to the… Why. I mean, you now have zero basis. You don’t have a foundation that that creates the right kind of society that we would all want to live in. You don’t have a foundation for morality, for good, bad, evil. You don’t have a foundation for any of that. You don’t have a guideline to say, this is what things should be like. This is how it should be. You just have, this is the way things are.

Eric Hovind:                  And you can never get in, in philosophy. They say you can never get from an from an is to an OT. This is the way it is. Okay. That’s what the atheistic worldview says is this is the way it is. So-And-So murdered so-and-so. That’s the way it is. Oh, he shouldn’t have done that. He ought not have done that. But you can’t get there from an atheistic worldview. You can’t get there from a, no, not exactly that. And that ultimately is the question. If we’re just highly evolved animals, what’s stopping me from doing that? I had a a bird die in the road. You’re run over the road right out here. Guess what? When I walked by, Oh, it was, it was, I picked it up. It was, it was pretty cool homeschool experiment. You guys should’ve come over. It was missing its head.

Eric Hovind:                  And I’m like, Oh gosh, how does that happen? How does the bur, you know, there it is. Dead head gone. I’m like, somebody had some, some cat or something. Must’ve just had some fun with this. Anyway, I didn’t cry. I did not tear up. It wasn’t an emotional experience. Maybe if it was my pet bird when I was three, I would have had a little bit more emotional attachment, but I didn’t go and bury it. I picked it up. I went, huh, that’s interesting. And I tossed it to the side of the room. We are not just animals and everything inside of us tells us that we are made in the image of God. If that was a human being, even if it was just hurt man, it would have been completely different. Not just because, Oh, we’re the same kind because we are made in the image of God and we all know that.

Eric Hovind:                  So I think with that your, your, your foundation, your worldview gives you the basis for all these different things of, of why things ought to be a certain way. And I love having conversations and engaging with skeptics or scoffers or atheist along those lines to be able to ask that question, well, why, why ought It to be like this or why ought it to be like that? Because all they can ever give you is the, is soon as they give you the “ought”. Oh, well he shouldn’t have done that. He ought not have done that. Now you’re outside of the atheistic worldview. Right now you’re standing on Christianity. So the more you study worldviews, the more you study religions and worldviews, the more you’ll discover. Only the Bible gives us a cohesive foundation for morality, for the laws of logic for science itself for, for how to have a self-disciplined family discipline, church discipline, and cultural discipline. The four different areas that we’re governed by. All four different governing principles are only cohesive and and really coherent from a biblical worldview from, from the Bible.

Yvette Hampton:                       Yeah, that’s a fantastic answer. I love that. And I wish I could repeat every word of what you just said. Wow. I’m glad we were. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I’m just, I’ll just keep that in my pocket. Yeah. There you go. Delete that. Use that yourself. Right. I’m, I’m taking it so, so in thinking through Genesis, you know, I know that there’s the great debate about you. Long earth, a new earth, blah, blah, blah. How do we solve that debate? And does it matter? I mean, does, does, is the literal interpretation of Genesis, is it consistent with science when we look at it?

Eric Hovind:                  Great question. And this is probably one of the biggest questions the church is dealing with today. So even in, in the homeschool movement, there are disagreements and some people would take this further than I would. Some people would take this not as far as I take it. So the whole issue of does the Bible teach, does God’s Word teach that the earth could be in the universe? Could be the 13.8 billion years old. That’s modern science says it is. And for the earth being 4.6 billion years old, as modern science would claim, is that possible? So that’s the question because I think any, and, and let me, let me preface it with this as well. I think anybody who reads the Bible, a basic understanding — literally the most clear interpretation of the Bible. You would not come away with the millions of years, right? You can look at the genealogies.

Eric Hovind:                  Those are the verses that cure insomnia. So and so was this old and begat so and so and so and so is this old and begat so-and-so. So and so is this old… And pretty soon you’re out. Okay. Yeah, we actually studied those out and graph them out. And the Bible shows that we know Jesus was here about 2000 years ago. We, I got to know, we’ve got about 2000 years to Abraham. We know we’ve got about 2000 years to Adam. And so you can actually add up the dates and you realize, Oh, the Bible speaks of the earth only being a few thousand years old. Right? So with this dilemma, this dichotomy of what do we do with this, let me put it like this, and let me say very clearly, the age of the earth is not essential to salvation. It is not essential to salvation.

Eric Hovind:                  This is not a salvation issue. And I want to be clear about that because there are some people that would, would claim that, Oh, because you believe it’s young. And that is my position as a younger. If I go with with the clear reading of the scripture interpretation of the scripture, well then you’re saying, well, you can’t really even be saved. No, no, that’s not what I’m saying. Can somebody trust in Jesus Christ that he died, was buried and Rose again on the third day according to the scriptures and be trusting in that and by my repenting of sin, seing their sin, seeing their life the way God sees it and trusting of what Christ did on the cross, we forgive him. Sins absolutely doesn’t matter what they think about the age of the year. Now here’s what’s important, and everybody really needs to understand this.

Eric Hovind:                  While the age of the earth is not essential to salvation, it is incredibly essential to the doctrine of salvation. I want you to hear me right on that. It’s incredibly essential. The age of the are these incredibly essential. So the doctrine of salvation. Why did Jesus Christ come and die on the cross? Why do we read about that in the New Testament? It’s because of what we learn in Genesis in the Old Testament about sin entering into this world. You say, well, well, what’s the big deal? Why can’t you have millions of years and then you know, no problem at all that will. The Bible says very clearly throughout scripture that death came into the world because of man’s sin. Becuase of Adam’s sing all die. Literally we, the reason we have death in this world and is because of Adam’s sin, so that’s the foundation.

Eric Hovind:                  So any kind of old earth position and adding that to the Bible has to put death before Adam’s sin and now you’ve got huge theological problems throughout the scripture when God comes and he’s going to make that the new heaven and the new earth the way that it used to be. When he does that, is he going to make a new heaven and a new earth that has death and suffering and everything that we’re trying to get away from right now? The whole, the whole creation is groaning and travailing and pain. You know now because of the curse, because of death, because of sin entering into the world. Well, is that the way it’s going to be made again? Are we just going to have nothing different? Or is it true that we’re going to have a totally different world align is going to lie down with the lamb, the calf and the young lion and the fat lean together and a little child shall lead them?

Eric Hovind:                  Well, are we really going to experience the, the, the heaven and the earth that God claimed we had at the beginning in a, in Genesis. So theologically, there are huge problems with adding the, the millions of years to the Bible. I would also add, and I don’t mean to run on here, no, go on if I need to. Okay. I would also add scientifically, there is no reason to add millions of years. So the Bible, you’re like, you gotta be kidding. Listen, God created a mature creation. I totally understand why people in science today are going well. But look, there’s, there’s things out there that make the universe look old. I agree. I got no problem with that. But I would call it mature, not old. When God made Adam Genesis chapter one, chapter two, you’re right there. When God made Adam, how old was he when God first made him?

Eric Hovind:                  He is a full grown man. Yeah. Full grown man but had, was, was not old at all by aging by time standards, right when God created the universe, how old was the universe? It had just been made, but it had the appearance of age just like Adam had the appearance of age. So the trees were full grown, fruits on the trees. There was the appearance of age. And then I think you really got to worry about them, the limiting factors. And we cover all this on our website through articles and all kinds of stuff. CreationToday.Org we cover that out there.

Eric Hovind:                  But the one of the biggest ones for me today, the human population, almost 8 billion people. Hey, this would be a good homeschool project. Okay. You can find the formula for the how to grow the human population, human population growth. It’s online. Just look up human population growth formula and there it is. It’s a little equation you can add in. You can put the numbers at eight billions a day and find out, okay, about how long ago would we have been at zero 8 billion people. The log, it’s an exponential growth curve on a graph. It only goes back to about 4,400 years. You got to include famines and Wars and and the different things that have happened, but it only goes back 4,400 years. Average growth rate of 0.43% you can grow the human population at 0.43% and that accounts for the Wars and the famines and all the diseases and stuff like that, and you’re at 8 billion people in just 4,400 years.

Eric Hovind:                  Wow. If we have been here of mankind, human beings have been on the planet, we evolve from apes some 3 million years ago, we should have a lot more people. We should have over 150,000 people per square inch on planet earth. That’s crowded. We’re not there. Science does not confound. We never get there. No kidding. I would go to heaven before we, I have to admit there. So now and again we can go into a number of things. There’s still comments in our solar system, the salt and the amount of salt in the oceans. The how far away the moon is from the earth right now of it’s been receding for millions of years. It would be way further away. Just all kinds of things make it incredibly clear. The science confirms the scripture. The whole universe has the appearance of age, but it’s not millions or billions of years old.

Yvette Hampton:                       Yup. I agree completely. And it’s pretty clear when you look at scripture and you read Genesis okay. You know, he talks about the six days of creation, you know, and then there is morning and then there was evening. And I mean that alone, I read that. I think it’s so clear. I don’t understand why we tried to complicate it. But anyway so, here’s what I want to do because I have so many more questions to ask you and I really want to talk about, I, I want to go down another whole road. I’m talking about the gospel and why all of this matters in light of the gospel. And I also want to talk about you, you’ve got a video on your website that I watched a little while ago called what did you call it? Satan’s visiting Satan’s playground college campuses and want to talk about the secular education system and how that is playing into culture and our beliefs and everything that’s happening right now.

Yvette Hampton:                       Because I know, you know, I’ve talked about this on the podcast and I know many, I mean most Christians, I mean anybody who’s really paying attention and has any kind of conviction, which is pretty much I think most people listening to this podcast, you can’t look at our culture around us and just, you know, shrug it off and be like, yeah, no big deal. I mean we see that we’re in a culture war right now and so I really want to talk with you a little bit more about that and, and sharing the gospel cause you have a pretty amazing story of, of some different things that you’ve done in and ways that you have just been incredibly bold and going out and sharing the truth of God’s Word with people. Typically we would do this where, where we would extend this for backstage pass members kind of as a bonus episode. But I think I want to actually just do kind of a part two to this podcast for next week because they think this is important stuff that I really want everybody to listen to. So are you good to hang on with me for a little while longer? Let’s do part two. All right. And then we’ll be back next week. So for those listening this week where can people find you? I know you kind of jumped that in there really quickly, but I was going to ask you that anyway.

Eric Hovind:                  The ministry is CreationToday.org and we always wanted to be relevant, so we’re always here today.

Yvette Hampton:                       And then one more quick question. How can people support you and pray for your ministry?

Eric Hovind:                  Wow. Prayer is the biggest thing I can tell you. God has continually shown me that if we are in people that pray together and, and let him do what he’s, what he’s fully capable of doing, that is the best. So pray for our ministry would be the biggest thing. If you want to get involved. We have several initiatives. We’ve got a new movie called scarred earth that we’re looking at getting billboards put up in Arizona. It’s on the grand Canyon, takes people from the science of the Canyon. So the gospel message, actually, we say it takes people from the scars of planet earth to the scarred hands of Jesus Christ in a powerful way. So we’re doing, we’re always doing fundraising. We’re a 501(c)3 nonprofit ministry and we are only here because other people go kinda like what you’re doing and they help us out. If it wasn’t for, for people supporting us, I’d be working at home Depot, teaching people how to change out the shower faucet.

Yvette Hampton:                       I love it. Well, thank you for your time today. We’re going to continue on with this conversation for next week. We’ll do a part two and thank you guys for listening to the podcast. You are awesome. We love you guys so much and we are so grateful for your encouragement. If you have not yet done so, please, please, please leave a review for the podcast on iTunes or wherever you listen to this podcast that really helps us a lot to get the word out about the podcast. So have an awesome week you guys and we will see you back next week.

Yvette Hampton:                       Hey everyone, this is Yvette Hampton. Thank you for joining me today for The Schoolhouse Rocked podcast. If you were listening last week, you got to hear my first part of my interview with Eric Hovind, and he’spresident and founder of Creation Today. And if you didn’t listen to that one yet, you’re going to want to go back and listen to that one. It’s, it’s an excellent conversation that we had, but I had so many things I wanted to talk to him about. And so I said, we’ve got to continue on. I really wanted to do kind of a part two. Typically we do a bonus content for backstage pass members. But I really wanted this to be available to everybody because some of the things that I want to talk about today I think are important for us as Christian parents to just keep in mind and, and to be aware of. And also we’re going to talk about sharing the gospel. And Eric is a, is a man who’s been he has an amazing testimony with sharing the gospel. He’s done a lot of that. And so we’re going to talk about that. So Eric, welcome back. Thank you for being with me again today.

Eric Hovind:                  Yvette, thanks so much for letting me hang out with you. You are a lot of fun. So I can tell your listeners are used to having a, a lot of fun listening to your podcast. That’s gotta be really cool.

Yvette Hampton:                       Yeah, it’s, you know, it’s really funny because sometimes I’m like, is anyone even listening? Because we rarely hear from people but then randomly I’ll just, you know, run into somebody and they’ll say, Oh you listen to the podcast today or Oh that one podcasts was so good. I’m like, Oh yay. People are actually listening.

Eric Hovind:                  So hi, Schoolhouse Rocked Podcast listeners, I’ll tell ya so she doesn’t have to send her a note. Let her know you appreciate this. I’m telling you, as somebody who travels and speaks, I mean I get to go all over the world and man, there are times where I feel like, am I doing anything at home? Okay, so send her a note. Let her know. Thank you. Appreciate it. That I’ll give you that blood cause I know what that is.

Yvette Hampton:                       Well thank you. Yes it is. It is a huge blessing.

Eric Hovind:                  My mom and we were in staff meeting earlier today and my mom, who I guess works for me, but I think I’m more work for her. But anyway she, she said, Hey, let me share this testimony. So she showed her testimony of somebody who watched the video that I did probably 19 years ago, and they’re watching it right now in Malaysia and they’re loving it. And I’m like, Ooh. So, Hey, you never know. Maybe 19 years from now, you hear about somebody who who listened to your podcast and got encouraged.

Yvette Hampton:                       Well, I hope so. And even if I never, no, I’m, I’m OK with that. It’s just exciting to know when God is working in the hearts of people because of the ministry of Schoolhouse Rocked in what he’s called us to. And so that’s partly kind of what I want to talk with you about. Today is why do you do what you do? And maybe let’s back up really quickly. So for those who actually didn’t get to hear the podcast last week, just can you give kind of a brief description of what you do?

Eric Hovind:                  Yeah. I’m the president of a ministry called Creation Today where we use creation — we use science and scripture to try to really bring these together in people’s minds in a creative and unique way. A, and show them that the, the Creator of the world is the author of the Word. And this tells us how things happen in the past, how we should live our life today and what’s going to happen in the future. And so we really want to compel people to understand we need to be living according to God’s Word and use really, our whole goal is to use the, the science use creation the world around us as a means of evangelism. So to share the gospel with a world that desperately needs it. So that’s kind of what Creation Today does in a nutshell. And we do that all kinds of different ways.

Yvette Hampton:                       I love it. You know, you mentioned knowing what’s going to happen in the future. And I was just having this conversation with my daughter a couple of nights ago and I said, you know, but here’s the neat thing about being a Christian is that we’re in a war. We are in a serious culture war today. And, and of course, I mean there’s always been a war going on. You know, you’ve got God and Satan and they’ve always been warring with each other. But there is something really, really brew today and it’s pretty, it’s, it’s concerning as a parent. But at the same time, I said, the exciting thing is that as followers of Christ, we know who’s going to win this war. And it’s not very often that there’s a war or a game unless it’s fixed where you know who’s going to win in the end.

Yvette Hampton:                       And in this one, we know who wins in the end. And then we get to decide who’s team we’re going to play for. And we can play for the winning team where we can play for the losing team, but we get to be on the winning team and, and praise God that we have that opportunity to be on God’s team. I mean, he’s, he, he’s the greatest team leader, you know, and I mean, you think about when you were a little kid, you know, and you were playing, you know, tag or whatever and people were picking their teams and you are always like, Oh, pick me, pick me, pick me, pick me. You know, you always, you didn’t want to be the one left out cause, and he definitely didn’t want to be the one who was picked last, but God picked us all. I mean, he, you know, Jesus died for all of us.

Yvette Hampton:                       And you know, I, I see that you have a heart for evangelism. I, I do too. I, my heart grieves for people. When I meet people and I see people who don’t know Jesus, I don’t usually get irritated with them. I get like, my heart just gets sad for them because I think you don’t know what you’re missing. You don’t know this great God that I know. And so I know much of what you do with Creation Today is not just making science fun. It’s not just coupling science with God’s Word, but it’s really going out. And, and the whole purpose of it is to lead people to Christ. As a matter of fact, I saw in the front of your website, you’re kind of, I guess that would be your slogan is impacting eternity by engaging our culture with truth. And that’s what it’s all about.

Yvette Hampton:                       It’s engaging people. It’s impacting people’s lives for eternity. It’s why we’re doing what we’re doing with Schoolhouse Rocked because it’s not that homeschooling is the answer. Homeschooling is not the answer. Jesus is the answer. And homeschooling for our family and for so many other families is, is a way to help guide our children to guide their hearts towards an eternity with their savior. So, so talk about Creation Today and why you, why you do what what you do. And then I want to talk about how Genesis plays into, cause we talked in the last podcast about the importance of, of Genesis. And a Christian worldview, how that plays into sharing the gospel.

Eric Hovind:                  Wow. Well, you still, one of my answers last podcast, I’m still in one of yours. This podcast, you’re a whole “Be on team Jesus” and you get to pick which side you want to be on. There’s a lot of parents that need to go have a conversation with their kids over dinner. Like, I’m going to have it tonight and just give that analogy. I love that analogy. I do what I do because the longer I live, the more I realized, the only thing that’s going to matter is what I’ve done for Christ. The only thing that’s going to matter is what I’ve done for Christ. I look at, I got friends that are, that are medical doctors. I got friends that have millions of dollars and every once in a while I’ll say, can you share? And and they go, look, if I could, when I retire, you know what I really want to do?

Eric Hovind:                  I just want to do what you do. I just want to do ministry. I mean I’ve got, there are so many people that wish they could just plain do ministry. And I’m like, I’m doing it. I, I’m, I’m blessed. I get to just do ministry. It really is a lot of fun. It really is great. And it’s what, a lot, I think it’s what the, the more you think through your life and what life is all about. And maybe this comes with age or it’s just maturity. I don’t know. You just start to realize nothing matters except for what I’ve done for Christ. I can’t tell you how many times I just, I go, I just need to get outta here and go witness to somebody. I just need to go share the gospel with somebody. I appreciate what you said about not feeling angry at people, but feeling sorry for them.

Eric Hovind:                  I allow debates to take place on my Facebook page and Twitter. Oh, that’s just a mess. But social media out there. And I engage in the conversations on social media and in an in person and people sometimes, especially after watching maybe one of our debates, they’ll say, how do you stay so calm? How do you not get so aggravated with them? And I go, let me, let me tell you something. It’s easy. If it weren’t for the grace of God in my life, I would be that person arguing with me. It’s that simple. I am. It’s been said that evangelism is one beggar telling another beggar where to find the bread. And I am one beggar in life telling other beggars in life. We’re to find the bread of life and it’s found in Jesus Christ. And that is the simple, the simplicity of an evangelist is you’ve got something that you didn’t deserve.

Eric Hovind:                  You inherited something you did not deserve and you need to go and share that with other people. Matter of fact I’m not supposed to do this shit. We have not released this shit, but I’ve been practicing with this. Okay? I tell you a special for Schoolhouse Rocked. This is special because I have not released this yet. I had an idea three years ago and we just created the idea. So it’s a, it’s, it’s not even out there yet. So just created this concept and this concept. I wanted to be able to tell the story of what God did for me, but make it tangible for other people. And so we created a car that’s got a cup of coffee on it and on the back it just simply says why I bought, I don’t know if you can see that why I bought your coffee.com Hmm.

Eric Hovind:                  And when you go there, you read a story. So here’s what I’m doing with these cards and I think we’re going to release this and encourage other people to do it. I’ve been spending, my wife would say way too much of my budget. She’s right. I’ve been spending money buying people’s coffee and giving them this card and when they go to wipe out your coffee.com it takes them through a very simple, I hoped you’d be curious. Somebody did something for me one time that, you know, that gave me a gift that I didn’t deserve and I just wanted to pay it forward and hopes that maybe you’d hear my story and then it goes on and it shares the gospel and I’m blown away. It works. I’ve done it 10 drive throughs and while people are waiting on their coffee, they’re on their phone looking up this website, why buy your coffee.com and they’re getting to experience the gospel message in a tangible way. So I’m always looking for creative ways to, to share the gospel. But yeah, I am.

Yvette Hampton:                       So you buy someone a cup of coffee and then you hand them that card?

Eric Hovind:                  Yeah. So you can either, either I like to pay for the person in front of me. That way I know what they ordered. I don’t know if the person behind me is, you know, buying for the whole office or not. So I go, Hey, do you mind if I get that for ya? And I handed him the cashier, my car and I say, Hey, can I, can I give that to you? Hey have a blessed day. I don’t say anything else. I don’t get into the conversation. I don’t tell him what it’s about and the responses that we’ve gotten. Oh man, it is precious. Absolutely precious. So you guys can check it out and yeah, at some point at some point I’ll have an about section on there where it may be on there. By the time you guys hear this, I don’t know, but I’ll, I’ll put an about section on there so that people can actually get these cards cause these cards are at we’re going to I think we’re, yeah, we’re probably going to do it. Put them on our website Creation Today to work on our shopping cart and let people get these cards so they can experience

Yvette Hampton:                       That is such a great idea. Yeah. Yeah. That’s so cool. Cause I mean, man, I couldn’t agree with you more. It’s all about Jesus. Everything. Like we talked in the last podcast about our purpose in life and about how the ACE atheistic point of view is, you know, they have no purpose because they were created for nothing. And so what’s the point of life? And as a Christian, it’s the complete opposite. And, and I’ve said this on the podcast so many times, but I’ll keep saying it because I keep saying it to my girls and I will never stop telling them this until the day I die. Or they die. That God created them on purpose and for a purpose. And God has such a great purpose for them. And his purpose is different. For every one of us, every one has been given a gift or a talent or an ability of some sort by God to further his kingdom.

Yvette Hampton:                       You know, right now he has our family using our gifts and talents to make a movie about homeschooling. And it’s not easy. I mean, I’ll, I’ll, I know you’ve been there, you’ve, you’ve done ministry, you’ve done business. We’re just like, you coupling those things together, business and ministry. And it is hard. It’s really hard. But there’s nothing else that I or Garrett would rather be doing than serving the Lord. And we can, you know, you can serve the Lord by having a nine to five Monday through Friday job. And, and telling people in your office about him. But if you’re going to work everyday and you’re not doing anything to further the kingdom and further the gospel, what’s the point? You sitting in church next to a bunch of other Christians on a Sunday morning isn’t really impacting God’s kingdom. And so as a Christian parent and as a homeschool parent, it is my greatest desire, one to point my kids towards Christ and then to teach them how to point others towards Christ.

Yvette Hampton:                       And so I love that idea of, you know, why I bought you coffee. That’s so cool. I definitely, I would totally get those and hand them out to people. But you know, just finding other ways to tell people. I was so frustrated with myself the other day because we had gone to we went to Culver’s. It’s like our favorite little fast food. Do you guys have Culver’s where you are? We don’t have Culvers down here. We’ve got Chick-Fil-A we don’t have in and out. We don’t have Culvers. Oh man. Well I’ll be a happy camper down anyway. Well in and out. Excellent burgers. We’re from California. So we are, we had an in and out about one minute from our house. We, we actually used to walk there for dinner. But anyway, we were at Culver’s and there was a lady, and it might sound like a silly story, but she was big pregnant and I could tell she was ready to, you know, pop any day.

Yvette Hampton:                       And I, so I just struck up a conversation with her at the, at the fountain and I, I’m at the end drink fountain. And I said, Oh, you know, how much longer do you have? She said, Oh, I’m doing a few weeks. And I said, Oh man, that’s so great. And we were talking about, you know, just the joy of being parents. And in my mind I was thinking, you know, one of the things when I first became a parent was looking at this child that I, so I deeply loved. I mean, I, I did not, I love my husband with all my heart, but it’s a different kind of love with your child. And I never knew how deep God’s love was for me until I had my own child in my arms. And we waited 11 years to have our first baby. We didn’t wait.

Yvette Hampton:                       That’s how long it took us to have our first baby. And so for 11 years I had waited to have this child in my arms. And so then to have her and to look at her just deep into her eyes and have this deep, deep love for her, I remember the moment that she locked eyes with me for the first time. She was probably a few weeks old. I know, maybe a couple months old. And I literally, I remember sitting on the couch and, and I was feeding her and looking at her, she locked eyes with me. And I almost wanted to cry because that love that I had for her was so incredibly deep and passionate. And, and I remember thinking, how much more does God love me? Like I always get rid of the God’s love. The nails. Yes. Yes. And so back to the story about the lady at Culver’s, I wanted to say that to her.

Yvette Hampton:                       And I wanted to say, Oh, you know, when, when we look at our kids and we love them. And, and when I looked at my own child for the first time and when I finally locked eyes with her for the first time, like I understood God’s deep love for me and, and we kept talking and then we’ve kind of went our separate ways. And afterwards I was like, why didn’t I say that to her? Like, what was I afraid of? Because I’m not afraid to tell people about Jesus, but, but that little fear came in, I don’t even know what it was. And I was so irritated with myself cause I thought maybe she really needed to hear that today. I don’t know if she was a Christian or not. I mean, nothing led me to believe that she wasn’t, but nothing led me to believe that she was.

Yvette Hampton:                       And and on the same hand, you know, nothing led her to believe that I was. And so I think finding opportunities to tell people about Jesus are important. And I want you to tell your story because I’ve heard this story before about w about the, what it was America’s first monument to atheism. And when you stood in, you proclaimed the gospel. I’ve actually seen part of the video of that cause that’s the one that you have on video, right? I do have that on video. Yeah. So tell us that story. Cause I, that’s a pretty amazing story.

Eric Hovind:                  I’ll be honest. I’ve got the same problem. I mean, I, there are times where I am scared to death to, to share the gospel. And I don’t think I’ll ever get over that. I think there will always be a fear of, of rejection, of of what are they going to say? What are they going to think of me? What are they going to do? Yeah. But it is my love for them and my love for God that, that, that helps me overcome that fear. Ray comfort uses the analogy. Could I convince you on a, on a freezing day in Alaska to jump into the ocean knowing that the temperature is, you know, six degrees outside and the water’s really cold. Could I convince you to just, Hey, just jump in. No, but could I convince you to do that? If there was a boy, a little four year old boy who fell in, you know or, or fell through the icy Lake, could I get you to get in there?

Eric Hovind:                  And he said, yeah, of course. And it’s our love for people that compels us to share the gospel of Jesus Christ. I’m just trying to make it a little bit easier to love people and share the gospel with that card. It just takes some of the fear out of this Baltimore coffee. I, I was, so the story that you’re referring to a couple summers ago, they the American atheist announced that they were going to be dedicating the very first monument ever in the history of America to atheism in July or June or July, a couple of, several summers back. And it was happening in my state, the state of Florida. I thought you gotta be kidding me. The very first one right here in my state. And I thought I should, I should go hang out with the atheist. I enjoyed going to their events and things like that and engaging in conversations with them.

Eric Hovind:                  So, so I went, so where they were dedicating this monument, they, they made it a bench out of it. So it’s got like a column over here, a little bench that comes down. And I’m standing there as we talked to people before, they did their little ceremony, you know, and then atheist clapped and they unveiled the bench and everybody’s cheering about the bench. And and they, they did it as a response to the 10 commandments, which they tried to get removed from their, they sued to try and get it taken down to the a Bradford County courthouse. They didn’t get it removed, so they said, well, we’re going to put up one anyway as well. And so they put up their monument. And I remember standing there and they had all gathered around and David Silverman, the president of the American atheist was sitting there on the bench and one of the time atheist were coming up and he’d put his arm around him and they’d get a picture, you know, as they sat there on the bench.

Eric Hovind:                  And, and I just, I don’t know, I, I guess it was just the, the, the, the prompting of the Holy spirit. I remember just thinking, you know, there’s a lot of atheist here right now. Somebody should just share the gospel with them, let them know the truth that, that Christ died even for their sentence, according to the scriptures. And I’m looking around and I literally did this. I literally looked back and all of a sudden I’m like, Oh no, God, you, you want me to do this? There’s no way there should no, Hey, I can’t do this. God, this is too much. And I’m looking at their bench and all the sudden I realized, wow, that whole side piece, that’s, that’s like a big giant, you know, four and a half foot tall podium that you could stand on. I mean, that’s like the perfect little podium to raise yourself above the crowd and get everybody’s attention.

Eric Hovind:                  If you, Hey, listen, just because you’re up there and I’m sitting there debating in my mind, is there any, what would you say? How do you start this conversation with these atheists who are obviously not going to be happy about the fact that you’re on their bench? And I thought, Oh, they love tolerance. They love to talk about tolerance. I wonder if I could encourage them to be tolerant of me standing on their bench. So what actually triggered it for me this is God’s sense of humor here. David Silverman, the president of the American atheist at the time, turns around and he sees me and he says, Hovind are you photo bombing me? And I went, well, God, I guess that’s my sign. So I didn’t say anything. I stepped up next to him, stepped up on top of the bench and I said, I’d like to thank the American atheists for providing a place for us to declare that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God.

Eric Hovind:                  And then I just said, I’d like to thank you for your tolerance, you know, and they, that’s, they talk about tolerance. And then I just, I just proclaimed a very simple, short gospel presentation. Wow. And all of a sudden I realized the American atheist tolerance doesn’t last very long. They started yelling and swearing and they said some things, they said some phrases that I don’t think are even physically possible to accomplish. I mean, they came up with some incredibly creative things. And I got down and I went, well, I, I didn’t, I wasn’t trying to gain notoriety or attention or anything like that. I just wanted them to know. And I got down to, that was kind of it. Well the next day, the headlines in the news media, apparently, I, they, they were pretty mad at me cause I kind of stole their thunder.

Eric Hovind:                  They wanted their, all the media attention to be on the monument and instead of being on the monument, it was on, Whoa. This creation evangelist was on top of the first atheist monument preaching the gospel, and so it kind of stole their thunder a little bit, but nevertheless it proclaimed the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Was I scared? Yeah. Before I got up there, this, it literally Yvette, this one thing, my mind, I went, if they do something to try to hurt me, cameras are rolling. I think I’m just going to have to let it happen. I think I’m just going to have to let something happen and while I’m standing on it, this kid comes up and he grabs my legs, my feet like this. I mean, now it’s at his head level and I’m like, Oh my goodness, God, I’m about to go down really hard right now. This is going to hurt really bad.

Eric Hovind:                  I looked down at him, he looked up at me with, and it was literally one of those evil smiles, like I’m about to do something to you and I could care less about how much it’s going to hurt you. And I’m like, okay, God, I just kept on preaching and the next thing I know he just let go. I went, wow, wow. Thank you Lord. But I think I had to prepare myself. I mean, think about it that day that I stood up there. I’m just standing on a monument preaching to atheist who, what’s the worst that’s going to happen? They’re going to get mad at me. Maybe they might throw something at me. Maybe they might, you know, knock me off and I’ll fall down. That very day I stood up there, there were people that had their heads removed from their body, because of their stand for the gospel. Right. So I think to them, I think that the real martyrs and I go, “I think we should be a little bit more bolder in declaring the truth.”

Yvette Hampton:                       Yeah. Yeah. You know Heidi st John I know a lot of our listeners also listened to her podcast and have heard her speak at conventions and such. And, you know, we just finished filming Schoolhouse Rocked with her. And the thing she says all the time, it’s, it’s time for us to get off the bench and onto the battlefield. And it’s scary to be in a battle sometimes. Because we’re, we’re so unsure, you know, we feel like we’re w, you know, are we prepared? Are we, are we going to again, I mean back to the, you know, there’s two sides of the war. We know that aren’t, we’re on the winning side, but still it might hurt and some people are going to go down in the process of it. And you know, it’s interesting cause before I, before we got on today, I was thinking through a couple of scriptures that God has really just been moving.

Yvette Hampton:                       And in our family, we’ve, we’ve been memorizing these and studying them. And I’m right now, I’m reading the book of first Samuel and and I read this the other day and it said it’s first Samuel, verse 12 art chapter 12 verses 14 and 15. It says, if you will fear the Lord and serve him and obey his voice and not rebel against the commandment of the Lord, and if both you and the King who reigns over you will follow the Lord, it will be well. But if you will not obey the voice of the Lord, but rebel against the commandment of the Lord than the hand of the Lord will be against you and your King and all. And, and I’ve been going through this with my girls and having them kind of repeat it with me, you know, full fear the Lord and serve him and obey his voice.

Yvette Hampton:                       It will be, well, I mean, that’s what God’s Word says. It’s going to be fine. No one can take our salvation from us and it’s going to be fine. And so as parents, then that poses the question, how do we do that and how do we teach our kids to have that kind of boldness? And so I would love for you actually to answer that, that question, because I know you’ve been in that situation. You’ve got kids at home, you’re teaching that to them. And, and I would love for you to talk about this from the perspective of dad, of leader of your home, discipler of your family. How do you go about teaching your kids, you know, again, Ephesians six, 10 through 17, put on the full armor of God because we’re in a war. How do we prepare our kids? How do we prepare ourselves first to get off the bench and onto the battlefield? And then how do we prepare kids to do the same?

Eric Hovind:                  Great question. Dads, I’ll tell you this, this really does fall on you. You need to be the leader in the home. I’m not always the boldest that I should be, but my children know that I’m genuine. They know that I’m not a hypocrite. And if I acted hypocritical, I apologize to my kids. I am not above needing to apologize to my children. I think that example of that, that being able to apologize to them, being able to show them what it looks like to share the gospel. I think that has done more for my kids than anything else I’ve ever done… Than our, than our times of devotions on our times of family meals. We love family dinner every night. That has been it. They’ve watched me. I tell people all the time, if you want to learn your faith, if you want to learn the Christian faith, share it.

Eric Hovind:                  I guarantee if you start sharing it, you will learn it and you can do it. In that order. Start talking about why you believe what you believe with somebody. And I promise you’re going to go, I need to learn a little bit more and you’ll go back and you’ll learn more. If you want to learn your faith, then share your faith. I’m convinced. I’ll tell you, I’ve got so many videos of my kids was set. We live here in Pensacola, Florida. So we go to the beach at different on different occasions or we’re at different events in downtown Pensacola and we take gospel tracks. The Bible says a man’s gift makes room for him or opens a door for him. And so when you have something that you can give as a gift, we have these little, I don’t have any on me, but these little a cards, it’s just a circle.

Eric Hovind:                  And on it it says “Round Tuit” please take care of it. And on the back it gives the gospel message and my kids love having those out cause they’re so easy. You say, Hey, did you get one of these? And it’s a circle with the “Round Tuit” on it. But so no, I didn’t. So do you know what it is? I say no. Let’s say it’s, you say it’s “Round Tuit” it, you know all those things you say you’re going to go get done when you get around to it. Well that’s your round to it. People wait their whole life. For this thing and my kids love handing those out. I’m, I’m convinced that just that act, passing out tracks and sharing the gospel with others and letting them hear my conversations with them has done more for them than anything else. I, I really do. Every time I watch my kids handout a track or engage in a conversation with somebody else about that, I go, God, my job on earth is done. I, I feel, I feel completely accomplished. Not, not because of who I am, but because of what you’re doing in the lives of my kids. God, you can take me home anytime you want. I’m ready to go to heaven. I’m watching my kids share their faith with other people. It does it get better than that. It really does.

Yvette Hampton:                       That’s right. That’s right. There is no greater joy than knowing that our children are walking in truth

Eric Hovind:                  And, and, and people are going to say, well, how do I know what to say? I mean, that’s all part of, I use Ray comfort’s evidence Bible. If you go to Creation Today.org, you’ll see this is one of the only Bibles that I carry because I love it so much in here. He answers hundreds of common objections that you’re going to get while on the street. Ray comfort has spent 40 years on the street witnessing to people. That’s all he does. He goes out twice a day now, every day, twice a day, and talks to students about their Christian faith and our about, about Christianity. And by the way, the way to open the door is one with a tract. And then you can say something like this instead of saying, are you going to heaven or hell or do you know where you’re going when you die to say, Hey, do you believe there’s an afterlife?

Eric Hovind:                  Can I ask you something? Do you believe there’s an afterlife? Boom. You are in a spiritual conversation. You have not mentioned heaven, hell or judgment. And you’re in a spiritual conversation just by asking that question. Hey, do you think there’s an afterlife? Well, where do you think you’re going to go? And then you’re instantly in this conversation, which is where you want to be. Now you can learn tools and you can learn things that’ll take you and make you a better communicator of the gospel of Jesus Christ. We should always be doing that. But if you haven’t started, for heaven’s sake, it’s started.

Yvette Hampton:                       Yeah. Yeah. And, and there are a lot of videos I know of you and of Ray comfort, Kurt, Carmen, you know, lots of people who go out and evangelize on the streets. And sometimes it’s doing what you did where you literally stand up on some kind of a podium or something and just start preaching truth. But other times it’s going up and talking to people face to face and just engaging people in conversation. And so I know from, for myself, that’s been a real encouragement is sometimes, you know, Garrett and I will just watch videos of you guys doing that. And after you watch him so many times you just kind of get used to it. No, good. Okay, well that’s, that’s how you do. It’s like anything else, you know, you, you kind of

Yvette Hampton:                       Practice it. You know, in a sense in your mind by watching someone else do that. And so that’s a great way for people to be able to do that. We’ll link back to the Bible and, and some of your videos and stuff as well. I want to ask you one more thing, cause you, I mentioned earlier that you’ve got this video on your website that I want you to know. It’s called visiting st Anne’s playground college campuses. And this is something that we’re really passionate about. Again, you know, like I said before, we, we fully understand homeschooling is not the gospel. The gospel is the gospel. Jesus is the gospel. That’s what matters is pointing our kids Christ. But at the same time, we’re in a state of our culture where the secular education system that our children are encountering is so detrimental to them.

Yvette Hampton:                       And I know people want to say, you know, well my, my kid’s teacher is good. My, my child’s teacher is a Christian. Or you know, they, they love my kid. Yes, yes, that’s true. In many cases there are good Christian teachers and administrators out there. I know that we know many of them, but parents are putting their kids in a secular institution and we’re not just talking about K through 12. We’re talking about universities as well. Can you talk very quickly, because we’re almost out of time can you talk about how our secular education system is damaging the hearts and souls of our kids today and really having an impact in culture?

Eric Hovind:                  Yeah. If you don’t know the stats, somewhere between 65 and 80% of kids that grew up in a Christian home and then go to a secular college will reject Christianity after one year of college. I’m convinced of this. The reason 65 to 80% of kids, of of kids that are raised in Christian homes reject God after when you’re college is because 65 to 80% of kids that grow up in Christian homes are not Christians when they go to college. And I’m absolutely convinced of that fact. The, the universities are set up to create what’s called group think. So you’re put in a classroom with a bunch of other students and everybody’s kind of wondering what’s going on. And then you have a professor that says, heroes let truth, evolution, no God, dah, dah, dah. And everybody kind of goes, yeah, that makes sense.

Eric Hovind:                  And your kid goes, huh, okay. I guess that makes sense. So they’re literally designed to create an indoctrination environment rather than an education environment that is incredibly important for you to teach your kids. Here’s what’s coming. Matter of fact, sorry to do another plug, but I gotta do another one. We’ve got a curriculum called college prep and it’s not to prep your kids for how to do in college, it’s to prep them for what’s about to happen in college. CreationToday.org/collegeprep. My entire family has gone through this. It’s set up so that you actually compete against other family members. You get five licenses when you order this. And it is amazing. The very first thing you go through. It’s a whole bunch of videos short, you know, two to five minute videos you watch and then you take a three question quiz and you the gold, silver, bronze star based on how you did and the whole family competes against each other.

Eric Hovind:                  So we loved it. But the whole first part of it is, here’s what’s about to happen. When you get to college, you’re going to face, on average, the average college out there, it’s about 20 secular professors or liberal professors to one conservative professor. You’re going to get a huge bias going to be major. And he talks about the different fields of, you know, doctors, where they stand, lawyers, where they stand and these different professions of where they’re at, how many liberals versus how many conservatives and then college professors and it’s like boom, liberal, all the, I mean the best colleges might have six, maybe seven liberal professors to one conservative professor. So your children need to know why they believe what they believe. It’s not enough to have your faith. It’s not enough to have daddy’s faith. They’re going to stand before God one day and they don’t get to hold your hand and say, okay, what do I say to him?

Eric Hovind:                  Huh. It’s them and God you, you, you really got to let them know this is important. They don’t get to have it on your coattails. They don’t get to heaven because you’ve got all this faith. It’s gotta be their own. And that’s scary because so many of us, we feel like we’re, we’re responsible for. You’re not responsible for their faith. You’re responsible for training them, forgiving them instruction. God is responsible for their faith. I’ve seen great parents have terrible kids. I’ve seen terrible parents having great kids. I’ve seen terrible parents, have terrible kids, and I’ve said, I’ve seen great parents have great kids. So you see it all. And the only reason kids turned out is by the grace of God, you are responsible to do your very best to be that great parent. Doesn’t guarantee a great kid. You’re responsible to be the great parents and to actually do what God has called you to do and encourage them to have their own faith.

Eric Hovind:                  That means honestly, watching them fail and loving them and failure, that means watching them mess up and saying, man, you know, well, yeah, we’re going to have consequences, but man, I sure do love you. I get it. I, yeah, yeah, well you really bummed that one up, didn’t ya? And just loving them. And I’ve told my kids multiple times, I said, look, I am not expecting perfection. I am a sinner and I’m going to have to apologize to you for things just like you’re going to have to apologize to me for things. And so let’s go through this life together. I know I’m your leader. I also want to be your friend. I want to be your encourager and I really want to walk this journey with you. I’ll give you all the advice I can and for my kids around for my girls.

Eric Hovind:                  It was around 12 and 13 years old. I really, and I told them along the way, I said, listen, I’m going to let you make more and more decisions now. And so, and it was frustrating for them because they’d say, Hey dad, what do you think? Can I, can I go do this or can I do? And I say, I tell you what, I’m going to give you my advice and then the decision is up to you and I will support whatever decision you make, even if it’s not what I thought. And I started watching them make their own decisions from 13 on my oldest is 17, and I’m blown away with her maturity and how she thinks through and processes things. And my 15 year old, and she blows my mind with her. I mean, she’s reading books about God that I didn’t even think of reading books about God when I was in high school.

Eric Hovind:                  And so I’m really trying to just say, look, this is you. It’s between you and God. I mean, I’m, I’m responsible to God for me. I’m responsible for God to God, for trying to teach you. But man, now it’s your, with God is your relationship with God. That’s your responsibility. And I don’t know if that helps anybody out there, but I know that’s certainly what I believe is helped my wife, Tanya and I help our kids understand that they are the ones responsible to God for their actions. And that’s, to me, that’s the best discipline. If it’s just you’re going to disappoint me, you’re going to, you know, that’s, that’s my art family name. It’s like, yeah, well who cares? I get it. But I think that’s prideful. It’s, look, they’re going to be accountable to God one day and that’s the ultimate source. And use that with love and gentleness because God was very loving and gentle with you. Sorry, I’m going to start preaching if I keep going.

Yvette Hampton:                       No, that’s okay. I love it. I would let you preach for the rest of the day, but unfortunately we’re out of time for the podcast. So thank you again, Eric, for being back on with me today. You are such an encouragement. I love your ministry CreationToday.org correct.

Yvette Hampton:                       And I’m for those listening, if you are if you want to help support their ministry go to their website you know, as any nonprofit ministry, there are many of them. But there are some that just really are doing amazing work for God’s kingdom. And this is one of them. And so if you guys feel prompted to do so, go on there and support what they are doing because the work that they’re doing is important. So Eric, thank you again. We really appreciate you being with us.

Eric Hovind:                  Very kind of you Yvette. Thank you guys very much. And I’ll echo that. Hey, nonprofits work based on other people. It’s, it’s people doing work, earning money and supporting things like Schoolhouse Rocked that allow them to do what they do. So I’ll just echo that right back, Man, be somebody. If you can’t be the missionary support the missionary. You know, my, my dad used to say it takes 451 ground personnel to keep one fighter pilot in the air for one hour when you’re at war. Wow. It’s like, Whoa. So be one of the full, if you can’t be the one up there, if you can’t be the one doing the podcast like Yvette, be the one supporting it. Be the one making it happen.

Yvette Hampton:                       Well, thank you. Thank you so much. And you guys thank you for listening today. You are an amazing blessing. We love you guys and have a great week. Go love your kids. Point their hearts towards Jesus and we will see you back here next week. I’ll talk to you later.

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